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Offline arbos
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di 03 aug 2010, 10:47 Bericht 
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AL G9 RX Edition Red / White & LTI TruCam


Dear friends,

Except that probably is the first video worldwide with TruCam live in action,
once again AL puts new standards on the table.. New feature, Fog Light!!!

Enjoy the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOdcDR4IiUQ

Congratulations!

Yours sincerely
Arbos
:)
Offline christosxo
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do 05 aug 2010, 2:18 Bericht 
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Sorry to dissapoint you again, but few days ago there was a video with Laser Interceptor vs Lti Trucam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waRZt6U8hG8 8)

One again Laser Interceptor is just the KING :wink:

Thank you

Friendly,
Christosxo
Offline arbos
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do 05 aug 2010, 16:37 Bericht 
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Dear christosxo,

You are correct I have never seen it before. The video of LI was on air 5 days before video of the AL G9 RX.
But I am also sorry that I will disappoint you because AL was ready with TruSpeed 2 / TruCam more than 5
days before LI. To explain it better and not to tell for the days, weeks or months, I will remind you that when
AL was ready vs TS2, the LI didn't know that there is TS2.

It's your opinion that LI is the king and is better product than AL G9 RX. My opinion is definitely different and
I am also sorry that I will disappoint you once again. I wouldn't take LI in any case and off course I would go
with AL. Main reasons are:

- The performance vs TraffiPatrol XR
- The size of the sensors, from the front view of the car after being set up / installed
- By my opinion AL always has more careful philosophy in the operation of the system and the user is more
protected in the areas that these systems are forbidden.
There are some examples that I don't wish to write in the public forum and probably you don't know but if
you want to explain you we can continue the conversation about it by personal messages (pm). Also there
is another reason that I can write you: Latest example is the latest videos.

Question: If you have LI (and not AL G9 RX) what you will tell them when they will stop you after control of
TruCam and will ask you why these sensors ?send light? during the measurement? That its park sensor?
Do you understand what I mean? If not we can continue by personal messages (pm).
Or there is a point here and LI will follow the new way (new standards in order to protect more the users)
that FIRST BORN by AL and will think to make something similar?

Other reason.. Thinking also how many times AL was the first that has
given solution to clients for the new threats worldwide over competition.

My dear christosxo as you understand I don't have any reason
to fight with you and my way is to be friendly and respect you.

If you write unnormal things as this
international-discussions/al-g9-rx-has-still-serious-big-problems-t59943.html
that means that you are far away from reality because you don't have real experience or for some other reasons
that I don't know and I am not interested to learn. In this case I have not time and I don't wish to follow you.

And now I have the following idea: You and other persons with whom you fighted many times in the past,
live in the same country as I know. Do you want to meet all together, to meet face to face and they will
bring their equipment, you will bring your equipment (if I remember correct and if this is real you have
TruSpeed 2) and to make all together real tests and we will see with our eyes who is the king?

Only I want to notice you that on test will be the TraffiPatrol XR! If you don't want to make these tests
all together or if you don't answer to this part of the post or if you change the conversation to the other
way (for example.. check these videos, check these tests, check this post in this forum etc) sorry but I
will not follow you. I don't wish to speak and to check nothing and I don't like the 'bla bla' speaking game.

I wish to see the reality in practice and to check together with our eyes. Not checking from other persons..
you will push the trigger with your hands, you will see with your eyes and you will listen with your ears.

Everything will be fair and correct for both sides. Except from the other Lidar's that will be brought, except
from the Lidar's that you will bring and except from any scenario you want to be tested (off course will be
accepted) from your point you will only have to accept the following scenario with TraffiPatrol XR:

Will test AL and LI vs TP XR in 100 runs and we will check the following:

Code E-14 (if yes, how many times and the distances)
Code E-48 (if yes, how many times and the distances)
Jam sounds (if yes, how many times and the distances)
PT (if yes, how many times and the distances)

With single and dual set up at the same car and in the same weather conditions etc.
Also the systems that will be in the testing must be retails only. In the end of tests
you will receive AL G9 RX and you will give LI for checking from both sides if these
are retail products. After checking from both sides we will come back on this board /
forum and we will tell together with one voice who was the king.

My dear if you are not afraid of the TraffiPatrol XR and if you want to see who is the king
please accept and come to this meeting. So normal, so simple. In other way I will not go
to 'bla bla' speaking game, have a nice day and good bye from my site.

Please don't give answer to this post quickly. Think good before you answer because if you
don't accept this meeting / test, this incident will stay in history: as the official dealer of LI
is afraid to touch, to see, to hear and finally to see the performance of his product (the product
that he is selling) in his country versus TraffiPatrol XR & in compare with AL G9 RX, front of persons
that they aren't his friends / clients.


Yours sincerely
Arbos
:)


P.S Special thanks to H & N for helping me to prepare & to write this post because I had been driving for the last 7 hours.
Offline Dave
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do 05 aug 2010, 17:23 Bericht 
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It does not really matter who is the king... Both systems have king prices. :nothanks:

I like the first video the most, because of the voice over. Simple consumer mind here :D
Offline Martijn
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do 05 aug 2010, 18:59 Bericht 
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Disadvantage of the cam is you can see the jammer emitting....
Offline Harold
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do 05 aug 2010, 19:03 Bericht 
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If the police uses the LTI Tru-cam, can they allways see that a jammer is emitting? Both day and night?
Offline Spiller
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do 05 aug 2010, 19:13 Bericht 
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What are the differences between the AL G9 and the AL G9 RX? Is it worth the upgrade?
Offline pipinos1976
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vr 06 aug 2010, 9:36 Bericht 
 
A few minutes before I leave for my holidays, I have some comments:

1. Nice feature the new light thing in AL. Only problem is the 80 euros fine in Greece and that the position of the head should be way too low to detect close shots.

2. As seen in the LI video there is no IR source during daytime, so, the problem with Trucam is during the night, when we don't see much lidar. So, for the moment, at least in Greece (we don't have Trucam), both jammers are useful 100%.

3. It would be great to have the same feature in LI too in order to minimize the probability to get caught.

4. AL should find another way of updating their product. The light thing is worth updating the heads, but the firmware should be updated via internet. Blinder did it, LI did it too, so, it's not that difficult to implement after all.

5. A real test would be great to check certain setups vs certain guns. I don't know if it would be possible to find the best jammer this way, but, the drivers would improve their knowledge.

6. If the test is done with the same vehicle and the same head position, then the truth would be very close, but 100 rounds ? It's way too much and the results will not be accurate due to overheating of the heads. I would go with 20 rounds with 5 mins break between the shots. It's far more accurate and it leaves the ability of the jammer to compete with the strength of the gun, with no other factors to consider. If you go with 100 rounds, the jammer that has the worst heat-sink would lose bad time.

7. Why this sudden change of attitude ? I was the 1st to ask for tests done publicly with published results, and all I got was "you don't know, I know from private testing" etc.

Thnx for your time.
Offline christosxo
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do 12 aug 2010, 2:29 Bericht 
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Dear Arbros

Before I start to answer to your commens I want to ask you to say all the story when you are referring to LI or any issue that LI is involved. I don't care if you want to blind some facts with AL you are selling or your previous product LPP. But when you are reffering to LI, yes the best jammer for me and many other users, please tell the whole story.
I was, I am and I will be always here to write and reply to your posts and to your partner(sakoylini or sakisa3) posts because people always want to read the complete story and not from your side only which is always against LI and want to show that AL or your previous product LPP the best of the world. So every time you sell a different jammer, you will write everywhere(forums that u don't afraid public strict comments) that is the best and the other are shit? Do you think that you will sell more with this way? How long have you been selling AL and you are talking to me that u have more experience than me? You and your partner(sakoylini or sakisA3) were selling and ofcourse supported LPP until before some months. I was shoutting that LPP is just a clone of AL and one day it will die. But you guys continued your myth. I wonder what you told and what you are telling now to your customers that bought LPP from you! How do you protect them and support them against Traffipatrol XR and Truspeed that are being used in Greece and your previous product LPP can not jam and not even alert to these laser guns? Did you replace these users jammers with AL or just leave them to be unprotected? Ofcourse these are problems that you and sakoylini(sakisS3) had or still have and still trying to solve and I don't care.
What examples and other things you want to write with pm only? Write everything here in public, it's better I think. If you think that is a must to tell me things in pm, do it. Maybe I know much better the AL than you do so don't be suprised... :-)
Now I will answer to your "friendly" comments one by one without quote every time.

1. That videos of LI vs TC was not made by manufacturer but from a seller in Asia. So, it's obvious that LI were able to jam Trucam long time ago before that videos were uploaded. When TS1 and TS2 & TC came out officially LI was already able to jam them and this was long long time ago... It's true that LI could jam TS2 few days after AL could, but AL could NOT jam the TS1 when LI did. LI keeps it real!
When TS1 was on streets and used by police in USA and Canada only LI could jam it. AL delay for many days to be updated with TS1 and AL users were unprotected that period. Also LI was able to jam TS2 many months before it was available officially. TS2 was started to used by police first in UAE, Bosnia and Cyprus and LI was already supported it.
So all users of LI was protected before TS1 and TS2 & TC were in police hands. AL failed to do the same because they delay too much to be updated with TS1 and it was already being used in USA and Canada by police. Maybe AL manage to get in their hands and update with few guns a little earlier than LI but LI do the same with some other guns. The important thing is the manufacturers of jammers must update them before new laser guns are in the police hands and also users have enough period of time to update them(this issue is for AL and other jammers that can not be updated from user, see number on #2 which follows).

2. LI users can update their systems from their PC at home via internet. I am indebted to congrat LI team in public one more time because they manage to do this true and accomplish one more wish of LI users and also their promised from the begging.
AL users can NOT update their systems by themselves and they have to send them to their sellers and their sellers have to send them to manufacturer and then the backwise trip.. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR A USER TO UPDATE HIS SYSTEM BY HIMSELF FROM HIS HOUSE! and AL does NOT support this!

3. a) You are referring to LI performance against Traffipatrol XR. Show me results of tests that AL is better than LI with Traffipatrol XR. A fairly good LI installation is JTFG against XR as you know very well. As we know, at all tests that have been announced in public LI was better than AL, against XR and other guns too. Check GUYS OF LIDAR TESTS, JAMMER TEST GANG(http://www.jammertestgang.com) and many other tests that simple users did and public the results in [url]radardetector.net[/url] forum and other forums too. Search youtube to see LI and AL in tests and in real life situations. Search older topics of this forum and u will find links too. Ok, I must admit that AL made big improvement the last years and this is good for competition but all public tests are still showing that LI has an overall better performance against all laser guns.

b) I disagree that size of AL sensors is an advantage over LI sensors. Maybe the front face lenght of LI sensor is longer than AL, but the front face height of AL sensor is higher and this make AL to not fix in some types of grilles of a few car's models. So many users of AL have to install AL sensors outside of their car's grilles,on the bumper or on licence plate places that are easy noticable! AL(and its clones) sensors capacity is bigger than LI.
Also the dimensions of AL sensor is not suitable to be installed at the rear of most car's models because it doesn't offer stealth installtion. It has big deep dimension and when you install it next to the rear license plate it stick out and it is noticable very easy. AL still has this problem unsolved and this is a big question that people has. Do you know more info about this weakness of your product? I have this question too..
LI team designed long time ago, sensors especially for rear installation, the ultraslim sensors. These can be used and installed in the front side of cars too and they have smaller deep dimension making installers life too easy and user feel more comfortable especially with rear installation.

4. Now you have the idea of public tests? Now??? After over 2 years that jammer's some users were asking you and sakoylini(sakisS3) to test their jammers installations with neutral users participate and you denied. After over 2 years that have been asked many times by users to public tests results that you were talking all the time that you and sakoylini(sakisS3) did? Jammer's and Radar Detector community want the results of tests to be in public or else they are invalid.
I was always positive to manage a test event with many laser guns and many jammers and yours, sakoylini(sakisS3) and some jammer's users participation . Everybody know this very well. I ask you and your partner sakoylini(sakisS3) in past in public for this but no answer. I agree to do it any time. Yes, I want as many laser guns is possible to be there. Anything! WIll you and sakoylini(sakisS3) be there as AL sellers? I'm curius to see this :) Also, why you don't admit in public that you and sakoylini(sakisS3) sell AL and before some months you were still selling LPP?? What do u afraid? Your LPP customers that asking now for update or replacement??

Thank you
Christosxo

P.S: Special Thanks to the receptionist of the hotel V.......a who gave me the wifi password before some hours and I can use internet while I'm on holidays :)
No need to think to reply to your post Arbros. When somebody knows the true and complete story can reply to you. As I told you in the past, I will be always here and to other international forums to reply to you and to your partner sakoylini(sakisS3) and let people know the complete story. I can not write at your forum because there, you and sakoylini(sakisS3) always accuse and then ban people that are not using the jmmer you are selling.
Offline aapje
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do 12 aug 2010, 10:12 Bericht 
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You guys don't actually expect people to read those long stories in which you try to prove the other party wrong?
Offline christosxo
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do 12 aug 2010, 10:26 Bericht 
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aapje schreef:
You guys don't actually expect people to read those long stories in which you try to prove the other party wrong?


Hello aapje,

I have the obligation to inform users about the complete story of each issue and I think if not all, most of the facts are interested to understand many things.
I tried to use, one more time, as many facts and improvements I could to my previous post and of course to KEEP IT REAL which was always my #1 target!

Thank you for your time :thumb:
Offline arbos
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do 12 aug 2010, 17:33 Bericht 
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Dear christosxo,

I want to notice you that I am not dealer / reseller of AL G9
RX or other similar products, my job is definitely different.
Also my dear the user name is not Arbros, is Arbos.

I wrote you in my previous post that I will not be following you in the
‘bla bla’ speaking game. Lets go to practice, for to see who is the King..

As I understand you accept to make these tests together.. Am I right?

Please answer me positive for sure in public that you accept
this test and we can organize it about the equipment (Lidar’s
from both sides), place (testing area), dates etc.

Yours sincerely
Arbos
:)
Offline christosxo
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do 12 aug 2010, 17:46 Bericht 
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I'm not doing speaking game, I'm writting with facts and improvements and I don't care what you are thinking. My target is people to know the complete story.

But, when you are writting some things you must be ready to answer the questions.
I and people here will appreciate if you answer and not hide behind your pc and appear when you like...

Ofcourse I accept test! I am waitting this event with your and sakoylini(sakiss3) participation for over 3 years now!

But why you don't admit that you are an AL reseller?
So, why you advertize AL? You are in love with it? You support it with so fanatic way...
What do you afraid and you do not admit that you sell it or get commission with it?
You can pm if you like the answers that you don't want to be in public.
Offline Raymond
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do 12 aug 2010, 18:58 Bericht 
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Ah, a test. Count us in here ;)
Offline arbos
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do 12 aug 2010, 19:01 Bericht 
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Dear christosxo,

I repeat for second time that I am not dealer / reseller of AL G9 RX. I repeat
for third time that I will not be following you in the "bla bla" speaking game.

My dear I am not a baby to repeat and repeat the same.

I am speaking for real test and you are trying as I predict in my first
post to change the conversation from real tests to the other way.

The big question is why? What are you afraid?

Thanks for your time and have a nice day.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

:)
Offline sakisS3
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do 12 aug 2010, 20:11 Bericht 
 
christosxo

You're not a professional when you talk so for a rival product that
LPP hundreds of users have tried and knowing its effectiveness around
the world.

Check the history and the video's with LPP and don't tell us bs we are
not child like you and your parrot friend.

LPP was superior in performance than the LI(PT against Ultralyte
100LR),before TP XR released in Greece.
With the release of TP XR in Greece, no manufacturer was ready to
defeat that gun, and the LI showed fake videos showing the dangerous
error code E48 by putting at risk our future clients to stop by the
police.
So that is the truth and no one tried to sell outdated jammers except you.

As far as i know you can try to sell jammers with pipinos1976 support,
illegal and without permission in Greek forum's and ban you both.

At this time the best perfomance, coverage, no error codes and always
new features, in the world(Check the list of guns) have Antilaser G9
RX.
First AL gives us the fix for TruSpeed EU, TruCam without error codes.

To update AL G9 RX you have to change only the memo card inside the
control box and not change all the system.

LI update from the internet.. what kind of update: to reduce the false alarms from the sun,voice
sound's, or the park mode?

You said that tou like to participate in public tests and you'll never
send a LI for testing to anyone?
Please show us a video from Greece that you test LI against a laser
gun if you have.

Your nightmare always is what does the sakoylini deal in his life, I
do not think that anyone interested in this forum and international
except you.

christosxo
Have you ever touch a laser gun?
:nono:
Offline christosxo
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do 12 aug 2010, 20:12 Bericht 
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Dear Arbos,

But you are still don't answer to many questions I asked you.

I am in and I was always in for real tests with your participation. It's boring to repeat the same again and again.You will be participate as an AL user? You should announce in public who will represent AL there. If not you then who? sakoylini(sakisS3) ? It's moral to be a rep of AL too there if you do not accept this role...
Offline christosxo
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do 12 aug 2010, 20:26 Bericht 
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Dear sakoylini(sakiss3)

Your previous post is full of lies and bs!
I will not start to answer to these immaturely comments one more time. I replied to you many times to these stupid and ridiculous says and you still write them.
As for the new one: I have no contact neither revelance with user pipinos1976. As I know he was a member on your forum, probably in your team too..

By the way, do you own any laser gun or you borrowed them from LPP and now from AL via Arbos? If you don't, I can rent you one from my arsenal so you can record some new videos you like so much(you and the laser gun against your installation setup).
Offline sakisS3
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do 12 aug 2010, 20:30 Bericht 
 
edit......christosxo :)
Offline Raymond
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do 12 aug 2010, 21:13 Bericht 
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Be nice people.
Offline pipinos1976
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do 12 aug 2010, 23:01 Bericht 
 
I wish to add some comments:

1. I don't have any involvement with jammer manufacturers, so, don't refer to me like I know people in the business. With the exception of "yes" as an answer to sakoulini's "so, you are pipinos" 2-3 years ago, I haven't talked to anyone else in the business. I neither sell nor promote products like others do. I simply quote test results and present personal opinions. It's mod's words from myforumplus after all.

2. Just for the historic accuracy I was the 1st that asked for official tests 2-3 years ago. I am glad that this test will eventually take place.

3. I don't want to publish facts about promoting certain outdated jammer after I have reported the possibble appearance of TP XR, thing that was confirmed a few months later. I still have access to pms from bloka.com to quote and I also have mails etc. Only one clue: MB SLK. Does it ring a bell to anyone ?

4. As you can all see, when I refer to jammers I use alphabetical order and when it comes to performance I use test results and nothing more. Publish test results and I will make a reference to them.

Thnx for your time.
Offline Martijn
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do 26 aug 2010, 16:09 Bericht 
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Well, we have a TruSpeed as well atthis moment ;-)
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