The truth about TRAFFIPATROL XR

Dr.Bryan schreef:

Definitely E - 48 isn't normal code.

A jammer's company in europe was in the level of E - 48 (see the picture bellow) but they are trying persistently to avoid this condition.

I am sorry but I can't explain the reason that this happens but as you are polite I can only tell you this:

With the code E - 48 the factions of measurement of speed (from XR) stop directly and XR is asking the officer if he wants to start again!
Now think alone without my help.. Is it nornal?

Remember.. XR is cleverer than we believe.. and let me remind you that XR has jam codes and interference codes also.

XR is the first laser gun in the world that belongs in new generation and has so many differences with previous generations.

If somebody wants a 'collision' with XR and to be ready vs new generation he will have 6 levels in front of him:
A. Detect the XR!
B. Jam the XR!
C. Jam with normal codes (no E - 14, E - 48, E - 58)!
D. A+B+C in every measuring!
E. The device to run also with previous generations!
F. When the manufacturer be sure and responsible for A+B+C+D+E to sell his device in the world market!

The performance of jam device is another capital.

Wait and think positive because some experts work strongly so that to find the best positive solution for this U N B E L I E V A B L E gun!

Afbeelding

Now all we know about E-48 code.

Let's remember the fake video of Laser Interceptor:

YouTube - Laser Interceptor vs Traffipatrol XR with NO E-14 jammed

To be continued....

I quote some posts I have done in radardetector.net and some answers, just to give enough material for thinking:

pipinos1976 schreef:

So, E-48 is something like Jam Code, but much more important ?

I don't exactly understand what E-48 means for XR's cpu.

If it's a jam code, even posed "in other words", it's important.

If it's another error code, then LI hits the target with 1st shot, even if it's not a direct hit.

I would like an explanation, but, I'm sure, the 2 companies, are not willing to reveal their knowledge to the public.

Thnx for your time.

PMoth schreef:

We know the XR can detect jamming, but can it also access an alternate targetting sequence or algorithm to effectively fool/jam and defeat the jammer?

pipinos1976 schreef:

New questions:

1. I still don't know what E-48 means to XR's CPU. Ok, lets start counting again. So what ? TP did that every time a single pulse, out of 40 was lost.

2. Since it's not listed in the manual, what's our problem with this code ?

3. What's E-58 ? New code enters the game. What this code means ?

4. In the videos, I see both LI and V1 able to detect XR.

5. In the videos, I see LI jam XR, with E-48.

We need info gentlemen, much more info. Reliable info. Then we can discuss everything, for a long long time. Until then, when we try to take a closer look, the curtain closes and we are still in the dark.

Thnx for your time. Sorry, for the pressure, my dear Greek buddies.

MetalFlame schreef:

I fail to see why E-48 code will get you in trouble.
If E-48 is not even in manual,how can LEO charge you of using a LJ device?
As I know,E-14 and JAMMED on bottom display indicates a LJ interferance.Does XR has any other LJ interferance codes?

In what situation E-48 comes up?

AntiLaser Team schreef:

Anjoem,
This is not news, why are you surprised? You should know that TraffiPatrol XR is not listed on our website as a gun that AL was tested against?
The news is - Software 17.46 Works with the XR (<No E48 code>) and is available from the beginning of 2008. News will be updated on our website soon.

pipinos1976 schreef:

@AntiLaser Team

Can you give us a comment about this ? I refer to sakisS3 quoted post

It implies that we need new hardware to jam XR, not only new firmware. And if the new hardware jams XR, then we don't know if it could jam the older lidar guns. This opinion is wide spread throughout the world until your announcement.

Your upgrade is only a matter of software ? Do I understand correctly ? Finally, no need for new hardware to jam XR ?

Can you give us a comment about E-48 ? Is it so bad to show E-48 or it's just a normal (E)rror Code just like the others since it doesn't represent jamming and since it's not even mentioned in the manual ?

I know it's better to have 0 error codes, but, if E-48 is nothing to worry about, then LI has done the 1st step against XR and it was successful, but not 100%.

The truth is out there, but where ? I' m very confused after all. Many games played behind our backs and very few know the plain truth.

I'm not a fun of LI, on the contrary, I always stay critical in front of every new product, until it's proven effective. I was one of the first users here that wanted more info about XR, proof of the jamming effect on XR and I put pressure on interceptor, but, my only motive is knowledge and the seek of truth and nothing more. So, I would like to hear from you, some comments and some of the info you can provide us.

Thnx for your time and effort.

ahmadr schreef:

Dear Antilaser team,

Can YOU shed some light on the XR's pulse pattern PLEASE?

ANYBODY with access to the gun and a scope can EASILY have that info. I presume all jammer manufacturers have the resources to do this. Only the enthusiasts don't have this info. We have asked the Interceptor guys in the past but they want to pretend it's their trade secret or something.

I hope some info come out in the open. We only hear that some people know, but they don't reveal anything. That's far away from knowledge if you ask me.

We need new hardware.
New hardware won't jam old guns.
LI produces fake videos.
LI E-48 is important, but I won't tell you why.
AL jams XR with firmware update only.
AL doesn't answer if new hardware is needed.
LPP doesn't talk at all.
People support LPP, while others support LI.
Total misguidance to all the buyers and users. What's the point ? Money I believe.
Strange things.

Thnx for your time.

Ehr why must LPP talk?

As far as I know everything is working well here.. All laserguns used here have a little bit of difficulty to get a proper 'target lock' with the approperiate error codes O:)

...

Don't know about other countries though.

Traffipatrol XR is used in Germany I presume? [...] And Greece, according to your IP numbers

Well, something to think about but I don't think people are worried if those type of laserguns aren't used in the country where they live in. Might be a problem on holiday's but who thinks that far ahead :roll:

However fake video's aren't nice, we already had serious doubts about the Laser Interceptor (well, at least my colleague had such a strong feeling)..

XR is used in Germany, Luxembourg, Norway, Serbia, Croatia and it will come up in some other countries that are usual customers of Jenoptics Lidar Guns, such as Greece etc.

The problem is that we have 2 different conditions:

1. It's not just a matter of firmware update, but we need hardware modifications too (to both detect and jam).

2. It's just a matter of firmware update.

If condition 2 is true, then we can all buy any upgradeable jammer (LPP, AL, LI etc) and it's just fine.

If condition 1 is true, then, every person that buys a jammer today, is wasting money, since in 1-2 years period will need another jammer.

Of course, I'm referring to people from countries that are traditional Jenoptics / Robot buyers, like Luxembourg, Greece etc.

After all this, someone has to talk and clear this thing out. No company does this, cause it loses money and that's why we only hear rumors after rumors.

I made a reference to LPP since LI declares that it jams XR, AL declares that it jams XR and only LPP from the top jammers hasn't presented something until now.

Thnx for your time.

Dear pipinos1976,

XR is not used in Germany and Serbia yet!

LPP (UK) works on XR!

LPP is one of the most trustworthy companies and the fact
that are being quiet at the moment proves their reliability……they only talk when they are
sure and they have something proven and uncontradicted to say in order to protect their customers.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

You will never get an answer from lpp regarding laser jamming.
Why? Cause its a parking aid, not a laser jammer.

And a good parking aid, for that matter :thumb:

It saved me from major damage, both in The Netherlands and in Germany :kniktja:

pipinos1976 schreef:

XR is used in Germany, Luxembourg, Norway, Serbia, Croatia ...

XR is not used in Croatia yet, it is in Bosnia tough.

pipinos1976 schreef:

Dr.Bryan schreef:

...
Wait and think positive because some experts work strongly so that to find the best positive solution for this U N B E L I E V A B L E gun!

pipinos1976 schreef:

It implies that we need new hardware to jam XR, not only new firmware. And if the new hardware jams XR, then we don't know if it could jam the older lidar guns. This opinion is wide spread throughout the world until your announcement.

AL does not have any problems with any older guns if they are on our list.

pipinos1976 schreef:

Can you give us a comment about E-48 ? Is it so bad to show E-48 or it's just a normal (E)rror Code just like the others since it doesn't represent jamming and since it's not even mentioned in the manual ?

We wont comment performance of other laser products and any hardware error codes that they might be causing since AL doesn't cause any such error codes. As you can see from the youtube video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2VQ1UNW3Is

Looks cool

Very nice

LI after software update:

NO E-48(UKNOWN ERROR)
NO E-14(JAMMING ERROR)
NO short E-10(JAMMING ERROR)
NO jamming sounds in tracking mode

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD76vRAI8A8

THE TRUTH IS HERE :dag:

In april there will be Intertraffic Amsterdam. Most likely the XR will be there.

I could take a LI, hook on a 12volt battery and test it on the XR by putting a friend with the bag somewhere in the hall and pointing the XR to it and see what it does?

christosxo schreef:

LI after software update:

NO E-48(UKNOWN ERROR)
NO E-14(JAMMING ERROR)
NO short E-10(JAMMING ERROR)
NO jamming sounds in tracking mode

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD76vRAI8A8

THE TRUTH IS HERE :dag:

No No the truth is here http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qtjy_elxp54 :nono:

You must find first the fix for the Ultralyte http://youtube.com/watch?v=_kljUxN0cag

sakis on this video they may installed incorrectly the LI

the other all video,some of them are these and all of them with JTG on Ultralyte:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOWJkllj0U
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t9lZ0tP3iZE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z7yHTQbE8hE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6UnD1MZcOwo

Also remember this:
http://www.guysoflidar.com/march-2007/l ... -test.html
and read them again and again to learn them :zzz:

...until the next GOL

Before you try to persuade us check your signature. :nono:

so?

You have LI installed on your car but you are against LI because you get commission on sales of other jammer! :thumb_d:

Grow up man :schudnee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD76vRAI8A8
:thumb:

edit: ok i'm blind.. already posted here O:)

Don't forget the fake video with E-48 code http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qtjy_elxp54

Where is the fake on that?

But this is the situation now:
one more time...one more time...just to be sure you satiated this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD76vRAI8A8 :dag:

christosxo schreef:

so?

You have LI installed on your car but you are against LI because you get commission on sales of other jammer! :thumb_d:

Grow up man :schudnee:

You see nightmares when you see me.

No no sakis. You wish that!

But every night I have sweet dreams :lol:

When somebody says the truth he don't afraid anything! So I do! :kniktja:

But you always hiding after every time LI clear some things. Where are your posts or comments on the radardetector.net now?

I think, you have nightmares every night with LI run after you :lol:

I'm losing my time with you and also everybody losing their time when reading your rubbishes you write. I will not answer to any stupid comments that you will write. You are getting tired and bored for other people. So send a pm if you have any problem with me.

Try to find other things to dabble in.
:dag:

christosxo,

You promote all over the world that you are a reseller of Laser Interceptor.

Can you please send a sample to Flitsservice.nl for testing with Traffipatrol XR?

All the drivers awaiting to see the truth.

Blijft dat gezeik nou doorgaan hier??? :thumb_d:

The guy who are interested for this can send a pm to me or to contact manufacturer! :kniktja:

There are dozens of emails send to LI but no response.
As far as I can tell its all a hoax cause theres no life proof.

At least here in Hollandia..

If LI wants proof they have to send a sample to Flitsservice to do some testing. Just like LPP did.

Ivan has my address and I am genuinely interested in its performance.

Otherwise: PM via this forum.

I don't understand why you can't get LI.What is stoping you to buy LI?I can show you 5 or more e-stores that carry LI,if you do not want(or cannot for some reason) buy direct.

Sure I could buy one, but tell me why I should buy it. I already have a LPP. It works just fine here in Holland. I dont NEED the LI.

In other words: if you want credibility in .nl, you should send us a sample so we can confirm your claims.

Sorry for asking but, if the company sends you a jammer, how do you know it's not juiced to perform better that the retail models ? It's very easy to bias the LD's higher and gain power. So, the jammer performs better, but MTBF reduces significantly.

All the testing I have seen in this site is done with jammers sent from the manufacturer ?

Thnx for your time.

Martijn schreef:

Ivan has my address and I am genuinely interested in its performance.

Otherwise: PM via this forum.

I sent you PM before 3 days

pipinos1976 schreef:

Sorry for asking but, if the company sends you a jammer, how do you know it's not juiced to perform better that the retail models ? It's very easy to bias the LD's higher and gain power. So, the jammer performs better, but MTBF reduces significantly.

All the testing I have seen in this site is done with jammers sent from the manufacturer ?

Thnx for your time.

We have had retail models and models from manufacturor. This one will be sent from manufactoror and I will see how it will arrive. In the original box and all. And I will use it and see how long it will last. LPP, when still together with AL had a lot of problems. Units not working, DOA and stuff. The LPP I have right now is in my car for 2 years or so and still works perfect.

Ivan said he would sent me one. So I am very curiuos, so I hope it will be on time for Intertraffic 2008

Even though I don't believe in this tactic (at least, in the jammer industry, many tricks are played behind our back), I would like to see the test of LI. It would be the very first independent test since GOL tested prototype unit. I'm curious about the performance of this unit, especially against XR. Plz, keep in mind we need videos of the tests.

I hope I was not too harsh with my previous post. I'm kind of strict when I talk about experiments. I'm long time in this job (experiments, not jammers, I don't even own one since I don't have independent proof of jamming an XR) so, usually I understand where and when there are interests hiding behind tests and results.

Thnx for your time.

Still nothing in the mail :-?

Opening valve......

Letting out the hot air....

Pfffffffffffffeuw...

Dear Martijn,

By my unofficial info (if these are correct), the ‘new’ TraffiPatrol XR (CL Edition) will be 'live'
in Intertraffic 2008 and also there is a possibility to be in combination with TraffiPatrol XRD.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

Cweepz schreef:

In other words: if you want credibility in .nl, you should send us a sample so we can confirm your claims.

Any updates for this?

arbos schreef:

Dear Martijn,

By my unofficial info (if these are correct), the ‘new’ TraffiPatrol XR (CL Edition) will be 'live'
in Intertraffic 2008 and also there is a possibility to be in combination with TraffiPatrol XRD.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

Both were there, live and functional. Unfortunately no tests.

XR is used in Tsech republic already.

Dear Martijn,

Martijn schreef:

Both were there, live and functional.

Martijn schreef:

XR is used in Tsech republic already.

X2.. Take care of driving licences.

Also in Germany, official delivery until the end of 2008.

Martijn schreef:

Unfortunately no tests.

sakisS3 schreef:

Cweepz schreef:

In other words: if you want credibility in .nl, you should send us a sample so we can confirm your claims.

Any updates for this?

Unfortunately no comment.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

I do know that some other company was there, but I cannot comment on that. But, was nice to meet them.

Dear friends,

Update for Greece:

TRAFFIPAX TraffiPatrol XR (it has come and is in use)!!

For more info.. http://www.myforumplus.com/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=409

Yours sincerely
Arbos

You are a little late. There is my report from April 25 2009, where I describe the very first encounter of XR in Greece.

http://www.bloka.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=80

I didn't see it very well (the white stripe), so I wasn't sure of the type of Robot gun used. BUT, I certainly saw 5x scope, color, scheme etc.

Thnx for giving us verification of my initial report.

Thanks arbos.

All we know International that your info's is always correct and reliable. :thumb:

Thank you Arbos for confirming the Greek users reports of the last 3 months about the use of Traffipatrol XR in Greece.
The more reports the better it is.

By the way, did you manage to jam it with your LPP? or even detect it? :lol:

Now we have major problems in Greece:

1. What detectors to use ? Only X50 Euro and V1 can detect XR.

2. What jammers to use ? Only AL(1) and LI(2) jam XR. Until Blinder(3) and LPP(4) start selling the updated jammers, we are stuck with only two options for jamming XR.

3. Strange thing is, that when I first saw it (April 20-25), the police used it in a very short part of the road, about 300-400 m straight line. In the same area, we can find 5+ more possible spots for using laser (places that are under the same jurisdiction / police department). Only 2 of them are in a place where the range of the XR is useful (1000+ m).

Thnx for your time.

* All names are alphabetically used in the post.

(1,2) According to the videos produced by the manufacturers and the testing publicly published.

(3) Blinder M27/47, has EU version with jamming XR capability. It's not for sale until now and we are waiting testing to prove it's capabilities.

(4) For LPP there is no report of a new hardware version, capable of jamming XR. For the moment, we are waiting the version capable of jamming TS EU.

AL G9 http://www.alg9.com/ 390,-
LI http://www.laser-interceptor.net/ 499,-
LPP http://www.laserpropark.nl/ 349,-
Blinder Same price points as M25/M45 ($429 for 2-head M27 & $679 for 4-head M47)

(LI no single head available)

Laser Interceptor is being sold with 2 heads .

I recommend 2 heads for front installation for normal or bigger cars especially against UL or XR.

Dear pipinos1976,

In the link that you have posted you weren’t sure what gun was in use. You have given some characteristics that are from XR and you have given other characteristics that aren’t from XR. Also in your final sentence you have written that you were speaking probably for TraffiPatrol (normal) and not for XR.

My report told that there was XR for sure.

If you didn’t see well the gun because it was far from you or because you weren’t in good optical angle or for any other reason I can’t help you today. But if you don’t know well the XR because you have never touch it or if you don’t remember good from the photos, I can send you thousands of photos in order to recognize it better in future.

By your way of thinking I can tell you that for example today I saw probably the Truspeed but all characteristics weren’t from Truspeed and finally I believe that probably is Prolaser. What does it mean? That if or when Truspeed will come after a year I will tell that I saw first the Truspeed a year before?

Sorry but I can’t use this way of thinking.. I told that I saw in use the TraffiPatrol XR for sure, if you will find any report from any forum that somebody saw XR for sure before the date of my posting please inform me about the link.

Ps. Reading your post in the link that you posted I can give you an info (in case you don’t know) and this probably will help your memory. The 5 X optical zoom is not only in TraffiPatrol XR but in TraffiPatrol also.

Yours sincerely
Arbos

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